I really wouldn't have noticed it without you mentioning it. And the fact that your decal isn't perfect wouldn't keep me from hiring you for welding jobs. For all I know you hired someone to put on the decal. Some of the best trades people I know drive around in crappy looking trucks/vans. Just because someone's vehicle isn't perfect doesn't mean their work will be crap.
What did you do to your JK today?
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Oh my god! I guess that might be true if you were doing some work for a self centered jackass. I think 99 percent of people go by quality of a man’s work rather than lettering on his windshield. Lots of things have changed over the years but I like to think there are a few of us left with a little integrity 
Name calling? 3rd grade much?
The lettering IS his work.
My integrity is just fine, thanks.Lots of things have changed over the years but I like to think there are a few of us left with a little integrity
Nic_dEntremont
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Anyway. I centered it better and it looks good now. I doubt it mattered much to anyone around here but it's on my vehicle and I'm the one having to look at it all the time. I still have the best looking welding vehicle around, all the other shops have rusted out pickup trucks or cube vans.
The welding industry here is a little more rugged and old school than the rest of the modern world. I work mainly for fishing boat owners and you guys would probably be shocked if you saw how some of these boats look. I'm surprised sometimes that they can float.
The welding industry here is a little more rugged and old school than the rest of the modern world. I work mainly for fishing boat owners and you guys would probably be shocked if you saw how some of these boats look. I'm surprised sometimes that they can float.
You should see some of the dive boats I've been on.
When diving from boats with no facilities (which is most, because who wants to dive with 75 other people?), you jump in the water if you need to pee. A common euphemism is 'checking the propeller'. There have been plenty of times when I wasn't sure they weren't being literal...
A few years back, a shop on Cozumel bought a new-to-them boat. Typical dive boat, 30-ish feet. In a prior life, it had been a glass bottomed boat, shuttling tourists around the shallows so they could see a few fish without getting wet (trust me... get wet, it's much better). The glass bottom was replaced with a fiberglass patch when it was repurposed.
Fast forward, and the shop decided it made sense to load up and head to the mainland in this boat. It's about 12 miles from Cozumel to Playa del Carmen, the closest mainland town. In a boat nobody with any sense would take that far out. Those boats are great for diving, because you're in pretty calm water. Not so, once you get beyond the reef areas.
Shockingly, high winds and choppy water caused the patch to fail. Not catastrophically, luckily, and after calling for help the boat did manage to get back to a pier and offload before sinking. But the failure is certainly something that could have been predicted. But hey, gotta keep those costs down, right?
Nic_dEntremont
JK Enthusiast
Honestly that sounds just like our groundfish trawlers, a bunch of re-purposed new-to-them boats patched up with bubblegum weld and electrical tape.
Lucky you made it back to land.
I do some diving too. I usually go off my parent's boat. They have a cabin cruiser at a marina close to some good diving spots. It's near this place call Oak Island, you may have seen it on a TV show about the treasure of Oak Island. Long story short, there was no treasure.
I was not on the boat, I'm just aware of the incident. I'm a tech diver, and like most, I'm a bit anal about safety. One of the first things you learn in any tech diving class is that there are no rescues, only body recoveries. When something goes wrong a mile back in a cave, you either fix it yourself - quickly - or you die. So we do incident evaluations on anything involving diving, to figure out what went wrong, and see if there is any way to prevent it from happening to anyone else. Sadly, nobody has found a cure for bad choices.
I'm familiar. That's some cold water there. Dry suit cold.
I've found treasure, of a sort.
A buddy of mine owns a dive shop in Cancun. A fellow who was planning to build a water park on some land he owned hired Alvaro to explore the cenote there. It had never been dove. I went down, and the two of us started mapping it. Mapping a cave is meticulous and really sort of boring. But you do see cool things, and being someplace no human has ever been before is an interesting feeling.
The cenotes in that area are mostly limestone. Limestone is flakey. In a virgin cave, the flakes can be dislodged by your bubbles, and it looks like it's snowing. Which is cool. Except that it's really bad for visibility, and that is a Really Bad Thing (tm) for cave diving.
About 1/4 mile in, we found this:
That is a tooth from a mammoth. There are some fragments there that might be other bits of the skull.
In another cenote in the same area, we found this:
That is a fish whose ancestors have been in the total blackness of these caves for enough generations to loose all color. And their eyes.
That counts as treasure to me.
Nic_dEntremont
JK Enthusiast
Hey that's pretty cool. I never dove caves. My gear is definitely not up to par enough to dive anywhere but open water.I was not on the boat, I'm just aware of the incident. I'm a tech diver, and like most, I'm a bit anal about safety. One of the first things you learn in any tech diving class is that there are no rescues, only body recoveries. When something goes wrong a mile back in a cave, you either fix it yourself - quickly - or you die. So we do incident evaluations on anything involving diving, to figure out what went wrong, and see if there is any way to prevent it from happening to anyone else. Sadly, nobody has found a cure for bad choices.
I'm familiar. That's some cold water there. Dry suit cold.
I've found treasure, of a sort.
A buddy of mine owns a dive shop in Cancun. A fellow who was planning to build a water park on some land he owned hired Alvaro to explore the cenote there. It had never been dove. I went down, and the two of us started mapping it. Mapping a cave is meticulous and really sort of boring. But you do see cool things, and being someplace no human has ever been before is an interesting feeling.
The cenotes in that area are mostly limestone. Limestone is flakey. In a virgin cave, the flakes can be dislodged by your bubbles, and it looks like it's snowing. Which is cool. Except that it's really bad for visibility, and that is a Really Bad Thing (tm) for cave diving.
About 1/4 mile in, we found this:
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That is a tooth from a mammoth. There are some fragments there that might be other bits of the skull.
In another cenote in the same area, we found this:
View attachment 124117
That is a fish whose ancestors have been in the total blackness of these caves for enough generations to loose all color. And their eyes.
That counts as treasure to me.
I thought that tooth was an old block and tackle at first glance.
The water here is a little chilly, I have a semi-dry suit. I'm not really sure what that means, you still get fully wet.
The gear and training are both specific to caves. Recreational divers never, under any circumstances, have any business diving in a cave. Please don't ever go into a cave without the proper training and experience. If you'd like to cave dive, I'd be happy to recommend instructors. Many caves have signs like this at the entrance:
Those signs exist for very good reason.
It's not the best picture but I wasn't doing the dive for fun, so the only camera I had was an iPhone. No strobes or anything.
It's a wet suit with seals at the arms, legs, and neck. Normal wet suits allow water to flow pretty freely. A semi-dry restricts it, allowing the body to heat the water inside the suit more, which reduces heat loss. A dry suit only exposes a tiny bit of skin right around the regulator to the water, and if you use a full face mask, even that is eliminated. Add heated undergarments and you can dive in any way that isn't actually frozen solid. One major issue with dry suit diving is buoyancy and trim control. Dry suits have to be inflated or they pinch, especially in delicate areas. That inflation gas (usually argon) affects buoyancy, obviously, but when it moves around inside the suit, it also affects trim. For example, if it all ends up in your boots, you're going to do a lovely headstand... And then there's the catheter...
Nic_dEntremont
JK Enthusiast
I've seen pictures of those signs. I wouldn't go into anywhere like that. There aren't any underwater caverns round here anyway. I would like to take that course eventually though.
I don't know of any caves in your area, but the Money Pit is deep enough that going to the bottom, which is beyond the 130' recreational dive limit, would qualify as a tech dive. I don't know why anybody would do that, of course. It's a tiny little mud hole with nothing to see.
What is your current training and number of dives? If you want to train for cave diving, there are a number of things you need first, including significant experience, excellent buoyancy and trim, the ability to execute helicopter turns, back finning, etc, and open water technical training. You'll need proficiency in diving doubles in either backmount or sidemount configuration (I recommend both). You'll need certification in advanced nitrox (recreational nitrox only covers mixes to 50% O2) and staged decompression. After that, most organizations will require you first to be certified in Cavern diving, followed by Cave certification. Most groups have different levels of cave certification. The group that certified me (IANTD - International Association of Nitrox and Technical Divers) requires Cavern, and then you can do an Introductory Cave Dive class. From there, you can take the Technical Cave Diver course. Somewhere in there, it's generally a good idea to do a Trimix class, and if you're going deep, you'll want Hypoxic Trimix certification as well. Most divers (that's a weird term, in this context, since less than 5% of divers pursue tech training) will stop at Technical Cave without Trimix. If you want to map unexplored caves and such, there is additional training.
Tech training falls into two basic areas:
The first is maths. You have to know how to figure out the optimum gas mixture at various depths and times at depth, as well as how much gas you're going to need to carry. You also have to figure decompression stop depths and times for the various gases.
The other is "what can go wrong in this environment, and how you can (hopefully) fix it".
Nic_dEntremont
JK Enthusiast
I just have the regular PADI open water certification right now. I'm not sure how many dives I have so far, I'd have to go check the log book. It's not enough to start any training like that, I would be doing a bunch more regular diving before that. I don't really know any other divers, everyone I knew is old and retired from diving.
What about the post was nonsense?
You're not impressing anyone either. But of course, I'm not trying to. @Nic_dEntremont expressed an interest. I provided information. If you don't like it, maybe don't read it?
There's also nothing wrong with talking about something other than Jeeps here.Let’s just keep it to jeeps. There’s other forums for scuba and corvettes. Thanx
On the other hand, I should know better than to engage with a grown person who still resorts to name calling.
Have a nice life.
Funny how a Jeep forum can turn in to a rambling load of nonsense so quickly. Trust me. Your not impressing anyone. Let’s just keep it to jeeps. There’s other forums for scuba and corvettes. Thanx
I think it’s positive mods let convos take natural turns off course once & awhile .
It’s what happens when your face to face with someone . Conversations evolve and turn . It’s what happened between @Dirty Dog & @Nic_dEntremont
I know there were a couple times wanted to bring up a convo non Jeep related . Knowing it would get moved to Off Topics to wither away didn’t bother .
But think in this section as any topic can pop up it should be left to evolve .It’s cool IMHO.
I didn’t read all of the dive stuff myself cause not to interested . The scroll function is handy at times . Lol
This site is probably siting at 95 percent Jeep content anyways . So once in awhile if topics go wherever on this specific thread don’t see a problem . It’s not like we’re going to wake up tomorrow with every thread going off course with guys talking about their feelings & shit , Lol
We kinda let anything go on in this Thread as long as there is no fighting and calling names. It's a good way for Members to just talk and have some fun.