Front Locker on a 2015 Willys

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Initially (coming from a Jeep TJ) my answer would have been a Powertraxx No-Slip Front Locker to pair up with the LSD in the rear of the JKU Willys. But I guess that locker is only for TJ Dana 30's and not JKU Dana 30's. (Right?)

So since that isn't really an option, I am looking for other ideas. I liked the cost effectiveness of the powertraxx and the fact that it was silent and wouldnt come into play when just driving around in RWD. Is there anything like this for the JKU or am I going to be looking at just biting the bullet and getting a selectable locker? Currently running 35's, do I need to worry about axle strength with the Dana 30 when running high level (8+)trails?
https://www.extremeterrain.com/powe...-dana-30-front-axle-27-spline-9204302700.html
 
The JK30 uses a carrier with a slightly wider internal dimension vs the TJ/YJ D30. Where the OEM spider gears sits is ~0.040" narrower on a TJ. This means if you put a "TJ" lunchbox locker inside it, it will likely not operate properly as it will have too much lateral movement. You can run a TJ D30 carrier inside the JK30 as the outer/critical dimensions are the same.

However, for the sake of simplicity and your needs, the Aussie Locker is a good option and they make a LL specifically for the JK30: https://eastcoastgearsupply.com/i-1...UEyuV2mP00vjrf_DJHubKvevR7LU-iLpA75IKWJkD-Urq

Whether or not you need to worry about axle strength is dependent on many factors:
  • Does "when in doubt, throttle out" mean anything to you?
  • Are you okay taking bypasses when your friends are hitting the hard lines?
  • Are you comfortable carrying spare parts and doing trailside repairs?
  • Are 35"s the absolute biggest tire you plan on running?
  • Are you regeared properly already?
A decently built TJ30 will hold up near indefinitely on 35"s if maintained and setup properly. On a 2-door JK, they are practically indestructible as well. When you step into the 4-door JKU world, the JK30 holds up moderately well, though due to the inherent weight and width differences, they do experience more long-term fatigue failures. Issues like bent tubes and inner C's are much more common on JKUs (but are nearly non-existent on TJs), regardless of trail ratings. I've seen a number of bent JK30 housings in JKUs that have seen nothing more than dirt roads and pavement.

The issue of strength and longevity is exacerbated by increasing weight. If you plan on hitting 8+ rated trails with confidence and enjoyment, you'll likely be adding a considerable amount of weight in armor, skids, and more. Suddenly your ~4200 lb. Willys is now pushing 2.5 tons. Throw in a passenger, spare parts, extra fuel, a larger tire carrier, bumpers, winch, beadlocks, etc., and your Trail Burrito has now eclipsed 5500 lbs. in many cases.

It's at this point where breakages are common and frequent. It's also where they become spectacular and catastrophic...
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It should be noted that the JK44 also suffers from weight-induced failures, since they essentially have the same housing strength:
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Seeing stuff like this is not uncommon on the trails out west: https://jpfreek.com/2016/01/06/broken-axle-housing-lessons/. Nena (from Barlow Jeep Adventures in Sedona) used to have a bunch of photos on one of the local AZ Jeep Facebook pages of all the destroyed axle housings, but I can't find it now through a Google search.

I know somewhere in the future there will be some dude (b/c it's always a dude!) reading this and going "man, I wheel my JKU on a D30 with 42" stickies and I have never broken anything while driving KOH style all over Johnson Valley". Sure you did bruh, sure you did... The truth is that many people overestimate just how hard they're running, and just how hard the trails they're driving on are. Many are also running tires that are larger than necessary, which helps eliminate some of the challenges and allows them to take lines in an easier way.

Will you be able to make one last? Possibly... you may have more issues with an LSD in the rear than a LL in the front, but that's a topic of another discussion.

On 8+ trails, 35"s are basically the MINIMUM, as is a winch, skids, and more. You'll be able to do most of the hard lines, but they will require finesse, skill, patience, and in many instances, having someone run a winch line. There's nothing wrong with this - it's actually what makes wheeling fun. I'm in my 40's now, so I overbuild b/c my a$$ and back can't stand 4-hour trailside repairs like they did when I was 19 lol. That said, if you're wheeling with kids, prefer not to do repairs, or are otherwise worried about ancillary damage (i.e. smashing your roof/cab because your axle broke and you slid into a canyon wall), then you may want to take a long, honest thinking-session about what you're comfortable with and go from there :)
 
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Just an opinion, but any trail over a rating of "5" and you should probably consider something purpose built. If you do 5+ trails once a year, maybe just beef up what you have, but if you are on 5+ trails every chance you get, the cost will probably balance out. Plus, you have fewer trail repairs and downtime. With a correct setup, you get to pick what might break on 8 trail, meaning carry a spare driveline instead of a pair of axles shafts, or maybe just a couple u joints (don't get the big ones, let that be your "fuse"). It is all preference of course, just rambling on. I don't like trail repairs. LOL
 
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However, for the sake of simplicity and your needs, the Aussie Locker is a good option and they make a LL specifically for the JK30: https://eastcoastgearsupply.com/i-1...UEyuV2mP00vjrf_DJHubKvevR7LU-iLpA75IKWJkD-Urq

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Will you be able to make one last? Possibly... you may have more issues with an LSD in the rear than a LL in the front, but that's a topic of another discussion.

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Thanks for the info, that's very helpful!

A couple follow-up questions...

1) Does that Aussie Locker you sent stay silent in 2wd? (that was a big plus for the powertraxx, I dont want it clanking around pulling into parking lots etc)

2) You mention having issues with the rear LSD. Could you elaborate on what types of issues? I recently had the spider gears get chewed up and ended up replacing the OEM LSD with the Eaton LSD. Hopefully that is going to fix these issues you are about to tell me about!


Thanks again!
 
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Thanks for the info, that's very helpful!

A couple follow-up questions...

1) Does that Aussie Locker you sent stay silent in 2wd? (that was a big plus for the powertraxx, I dont want it clanking around pulling into parking lots etc)

2) You mention having issues with the rear LSD. Could you elaborate on what types of issues? I recently had the spider gears get chewed up and ended up replacing the OEM LSD with the Eaton LSD. Hopefully that is going to fix these issues you are about to tell me about!


Thanks again!

1) Every locker, be it a full-case auto locker (like a Detroit) or any of the lunchbox style lockers on the market only "lock" when under torque (meaning there is active torque being applied to the pinion). In 2WD, no torque is being applied and thus the "cogs" are free to rotate. I have never run the Powertraxx on any of my rigs, but have driven in at least one YJ and one XJ with one installed in the front. On my best of days, I would not be able to tell any of the common front LL's apart from each other. They all seem to make a few random clicks and pops (only minor and really only audible due to doors and tops being off). Having installed a few of these over the years for friends and for people in our wheeling group, I've found that it's typically a matter of tolerances within the carrier itself that causes a LL to be completely (nearly) silent vs occasionally being "clicky".

2) The Eaton TrueTrac is my favorite LSD (I put one in the Islander's D44 a few months ago actually!). I didn't mean you'd have troubles with the Eaton, but rather with having a limited slip in a rig that was intended to be used on 8+ rated trails. You'll likely be lifting tires, or at the very least, have rear tires touching with such little contact pressure that they might as well be floating in the air, and may very often find yourself dragging over an obstacle (especially on a 116" wheelbase Jeep with only 35" tires).

These situations turn a LSD into an open diff really quick. Some people can use brakes (including the factory BLD) to help control wheel spin and push torque to the wheels touching the ground, but on 8+ trails, by the time those things happen, you may very well has fallen/slid off the line you were on. Like @WSS mentioned, once you get above 5+ trails, you will quickly find that most DD's (daily drivers) need to have some concessions made in regards to comfort, general drivability, and/or cost. This is where most people suck it up and go selectable lockers (or in the case of dedicated trail rigs, full case auto lockers).
 
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